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Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-23-00 01:18 PM
We have read the useful pages to make a network for our PC and Laptop, and we are absolutely amazed how great the pages are.
We do not know anything about a home network, and I am sure this will be very useful.
I do have a question though. Do we need to use TCP/IP and make it work for both Pc and Laptop, since I thought TCP/IP was only used for dial-up networking and not for cable internet (I don't know much, I am a newbie
A friend of ours was also talking about a program he uses (he is in the Netherlands) which is a proxy server.
I have not read anything about proxy server in the Network setup pages for two W98 computers, so I was just wondering.
What are the best places to buy the hardware we need. Does Radio Shack sell this, or is it better to buy through buy.com? (which we have done before, to buy extra memory for instance).
When buying the stuff nearby, you can look at it and take it back if there is any problem, so that may be better?
Does "Staples" also sell those cables and plugs?
Thank you for your time and this great website

1. RE: Cable Internet Network
lbyard Jul-23-00 02:04 PM
In response to message 0
Thank you very much for the compliment.

You will need to install TCP/IP on all computers that are to use the Internet. For small networks, I think a NAT (Network Address Translator) is better than a Proxy server. It is easier to configure and maintain. We recommend SyGate (http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/sygate/sygate.htm). It is a good product and it is easy to install.

We are not going to start recommending sources for buying computer parts, etc. We recently removed our products section from this web site and have stopped selling things on the Internet so there would be no possible appearance of a conflict of interest (we also removed all affiliate links on our site.) The Digest is now a publication, not a store. If we were to start suggesting sources for products, we would reintroduce the appearance of a conflict of interest. Banner ads, we feel, do not present that problem because we are paid for banner impressions and not a commission on goods sold. Nevertheless, we will continue to review and recommend good products.

We agree that using reputable(!) local sources for products has its advantages and we give reasons in Advice on Buying a Motherboard (http://duxcw.com/digest/guides/buymb/intro.htm.
Larry


2. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-23-00 02:23 PM
In response to message 1
Thank you for your reply Larry.
I have been browsing the internet and I found something on the Radio Shack website, which seems to be a lot cheaper than using a pcmciacard for the laptop, when getting a network for the pc and laptop together.
It's an USB Ethernet Adapter, do you think this will work, it's a lot cheaper as well
As you well may understand, we like to use the same cable internet account for pc as well as the laptop.
Oh well, first we have to hook up on cable internet, and then we will get into the difficult part: home network

3. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-23-00 02:30 PM
In response to message 1
I am sorry, I forgot something to ask you.Does Windows 98 Second Edition Internet Sharing Software (ICS) come with the W98 2nd Ed?
If it does, don't we need Sygate software or a proxy server anymore?
We run Zone Alarm (firewall) on pc and laptop on this moment, can we still continue using that as well?

4. RE: Cable Internet Network
lbyard Jul-23-00 03:12 PM
In response to message 3
Yes, Win 98 SE includes ICS and it it can be used to share an Internet connection. See http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/win98se/intro.htm for installation instructions. However, in my opinion, SyGate is better. If you already have Windows 98 SE, you may want to try it. If you don not have Windows 98 SE, I would suggest spending the money on SyGate instead of on a Windows upgrade.

Zone Alarm FAQs (http://www.zonelabs.com/support_quick.htm) state:

”ZoneAlarm does work with ICS that runs on the same computer. These include Internet Connection Sharing on Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 as well as proxy software. ZoneAlarm installed on a computer with NAT software does not work, ZoneAlarm works perfectly well on computers using NAT addresses. If you install ZoneAlarm on the ICS computer, set the Security level to medium. ZoneAlarm will still provide application control to the computer running ICS, but not protect the network. You can then install ZoneAlarm on the other computers and all the features will work properly. Alternatively you can add your computers IP addresses to the trusted local Zone on the ICS machine, and leave the local security level to medium or low, and it should work fine.”

But you may not need it with SyGate, which has a built-in firewall. See Microsoft Knowledgebase Article ID: Q241570 (http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q241/5/70.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0) for Win 98 SE ICS security features.
Larry


5. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-23-00 03:46 PM
In response to message 4
We do have Windows 98 2nd Edition on our pc, so you think we could give it a try?
I found the Sygate page, in case we have to buy Sygate software, it this the software I need?:
""Sybergen SyGate® for Home Office
SyGate® enables multiple computers to securely share and manage a single Internet account with your existing network.
(Sybergen SyGate for Home Office 3.11 build 565 & SyGate 3.0 build 523)""

And going back to another question for the laptop, can I use an USB Ethernet adapter instead of pcmcia ehternet card, which is a lot cheaper (USB E.A. $39 and pcmcia card $150)...but does it work as well???

Thank you for your time and replies


6. RE: Cable Internet Network
lbyard Jul-23-00 04:27 PM
In response to message 5
That’s the correct product, but I think SyGate v. 4.x was out…

I have no first-hand experience with USB network adapters yet, but there have been some problems with one or two of them reported here in the Forum.

A USB adapter is probably not be as fast as a 100 Mhz PCMCIA Ethernet adapter. The USB interface runs at 12 Mhz.

There are certainly 100 Mhz PCMCIA adapters out there for well under $100. One thing one has to watch-out for with a PCMCIA adapter is not to tip the notebook up on its side or forcibly push it against a wall. I have seen quite a few broken PCMCIA MODEM and network adapters and have broken one of them myself. Larry


7. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-23-00 05:30 PM
In response to message 6
Thank you for all the quick replies Larry.

By the way, do you have any experience with wireless home networking?
I was just reading about it on one of the shopping websites:
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=223201

If this would work, it would be almost painless to set it up for our pc and laptop.
What do you think?

Myrna


8. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-23-00 07:26 PM
In response to message 7
Hi Larry,

I just read some reviews about wireles networks and it seems they are kind of slow.

So we are back to a wired network.
We have been reading about the ethernet pc cards, and we saw your suggestions for Linksys and DLink and added it to our Favorites.

We get kind of confused while searching for an ethernet pcmcia card for the notebook, since we see so many different jacks (xjack?) and plugs... and we are not sure what we need...
I found this Dlink pcmcia card, and was wondering what you think:
D-Link DFE-650 TX Ethernet PC card
http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=111477

If this is what we need for our notebook and network?

Thank you so much for all your time and replies.
Enjoy your sunday
Wim and Myrna
Florida


9. RE: Cable Internet Network
lbyard Jul-24-00 04:08 PM
In response to message 8
If I were to buy a PCMCIA Fast Ethernet adapter today, the DFE-650 would be the one I would order, mainly because my favorite distributor has them in stock and I have had good luck with D-Link products for many years. There are other good choices... Larry

10. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-24-00 05:11 PM
In response to message 9
Thank you Larry
I have seen so many PCMCIA adapters and I have no clue...
We will be connected to the internet thru a cable modem by tomorrow, we called this morning and were surprised to hear they could do it between noon and 2 pm tomorrow.
I will let you know , when we will start setting up the home network. It may take a few weeks before we have the courage to do this.
But we are very happy to have your excellent guide on the internet
I have told my friends here in Florida, and also in the Netherlands about your website and the forum and the quick replies and excellent advice. And I have given them your URL.
We will be in touch again , thanks again Larry for the great website and the advice.
Sincerely,
Wim and Myrna

11. RE: Cable Internet Network
lbyard Jul-24-00 05:45 PM
In response to message 10
LAST EDITED ON Jul-24-00 AT 06:05 PM (GMT)

Wim and Myrna, You are most welcome...
I have fond memories of the few times I visited the Netherlands. Ok, most of them were fond, the people were wonderful, the cheese was tasty, and the Genever was very intoxicating… The exception was when I found myself in the middle of a Soccer riot in the train station in Rotterdam, but I believe most, if not all, of the participants were from another country. Then there was the afternoon I walked from Dan Haag to the coast (Scheveningen, I think) with two suite cases—just wanted see the Netherlands, the beautiful scenery, and kept walking and walking… and didn’t have sense enough to hop on a tram before my feet became raw meat… After that episode, I learned how to travel as the Europeans do, with one suite case. Larry


12. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-24-00 10:46 PM
In response to message 11
Larry, we are pleased to hear that you enjoyed your visits to the Netherlands. Wim loves to drink a little bit of Jenever before he goes to bed, but he does it now with a little bit of Wodka... As you know Soccer is war, it used to be possible to go and watch a soccer match in the stadium, but nowadays it's no fun. I am sorry to hear you were in the middle of a riot.
We used to live in and around Den Haag until 1993 when we moved to FL, and we are semi-retired now
One of these years we may travel up to Maine, we heard it's beautiful upthere and the Lobster is out of this world!
Wim and Myrna

13. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-27-00 07:39 PM
In response to message 12
Larry, we are on Cable Internet since tuesday and we just love it... wow it's fast.
The lady (who works for the cable company) who installed the ethernet card and connected the cable modem, even suggested we should build a network for the pc and laptop
We have a little bit of concern about building a network , since we like to use Diapad ( www.dialpad.com). I just read about using Dialpad, which works like a dream with cable internet, that there is problem using Dialpad when you have a network.
Do you have any experience with using Dialpad?

14. RE: Cable Internet Network
lbyard Jul-27-00 08:09 PM
In response to message 13
LAST EDITED ON Jul-27-00 AT 08:11 PM (GMT)

I haven't used dialpad, but it should work with with a LAN/SyGate, etc. See http://dialpad.com/support/helpsys.html#firewall for the How to's. Larry


15. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Jul-29-00 10:24 PM
In response to message 14
Thank you again Larry.
We hope to be able to do this all. We just ordered the ethernet card for the pc and pcmcia card for the laptop and a 10ft crossover cable, on the internet. Hopefully we will get it in a few days. If we manage to make this all work, we will try to get a 100ft crossover cable, so I can take the laptop to the bedroom and use cable internet as well
We will let you know if we manage to do this networking...
Have a great weekend!

16. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Aug-06-00 00:11 AM
In response to message 15
Dear Larry,
We got our hardware and followed the instructions given in "How to Network Two Windows 95/98 Computers". Using the NetBEUI protocol it worked like a charm. We could see eachothers computers (a PC and a Notebook), and the Notebook could see the PC's Zip drive and its printer. Great!
Then we wanted to share Internet access (we have cable) and proceeded with replacing the NetBEUI protocol with the TCP/IP interface. And indeed we can share Internet access but.... we can't see eachothers computers anymore. Do you have suggestions? Thanks very much for your help.
Wim and Myrna Happel

17. RE: Cable Internet Network
lbyard Aug-06-00 06:58 PM
In response to message 16
Wim and Myrna, Congradulations on your success so far! You can reinstall NetBEUI and use it with TCP/IP or, if you want to reduce the overhead of running two protocols, you can assign static IP's to the computers (e.g., 192.168.0.1 for the computer with the Internet connection and 192.168.0.2 for the other one, etc.). This is done in the Network Properties, accessed in the Control Panel, for the instance of the TCP/IP bound to the local area network adapter. The net mask should be 255.255.255.0. You should then be able to access computers on the LAN with the Windows Explorer, Tools, Find, Computer using //ipaddress (e.g., //192.168.0.2). To assign computer names to LAN IP addresses, make a HOSTS file (no file name extension) in C:\WINDOWS. There should be a sample HOSTS file called HOSTS.SAM in C:\WINDOWS. Here is an example:
192.168.0.1 lbyard-pc
192.168.0.2 cbyard-pc
If you use static IPs, you must disable the Dynamic Host Control Protocol (DHCP) server in the Internet sharing software. I recently posted a message for how to do it with SyGate and it is a simple thing to do. ICS is different story; see http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q230/1/51.asp. I run both protocols (and static IPs) most of the time simply because NetBEUI is easier to deal with when setting-up temporary LAN connections for customer computers. However, and regardless of what others have stated elsewhere on the Internet, TCP/IP is capable of supporting the Client for Microsoft Networks for drive and printer sharing on a LAN if no other protocol is installed. I have done it. Larry

18. RE: Cable Internet Network
dutchindo Aug-16-00 10:01 PM
In response to message 17
Hi Larry,
We re-installed the NetBEUI protocol and everything works fine. We didn't worry about some overhead. Thanks an awful lot for all your help.
Wim

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