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Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 11:38 AM
Hi all,
longtime reader, first time poster!

We got a new pc in our office here and it is running with Win 2000 Pro. Our current other computers are Win 98 SE.
It's all set up and running with the exception that the 98se computers can't access the shared folders on the 2000 pro machine. The 2000 machine can see and access all the other computers and folders.
I have set up shared folders under the administrator log in, and those just won't show up.
From the 98 computers I get a C$ prompt for a password.
After playing around with the settings I got an access denied.

Any thoughts on how to get the network access to swing both ways?

Thanks,
Tim


1. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
lbyard May-15-02 11:53 AM
In response to message 0
Try this: http://duxcw.com/faq/network/2kshare.htm. Also, there are some posts in this forum on the problem. Larry

2. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 12:06 PM
In response to message 1
Larry,

I have done afformentioned the procedure, to no avail.
I have enabled permissions to their fullest extent, but still keep getting denied.
Do I need to remove the C$ folder?

I also did a search for this topic, but haven't found this specific problem of one way viewing. The other topics were neither computer could see each other.

Tim


3. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
lbyard May-15-02 12:28 PM
In response to message 2
What is the drive C: share name? Larry

4. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 12:34 PM
In response to message 3
I have shared it as 'C'

When I browse 'My network Places' I see my machine on the network and I can see into the folders I have shared.
It's just from the 98se machines where the problem begins.

Also I am having trouble with our machine that is acting as our server. It is running Win 98 se, and when I open a file on this machine (the 2000 Pro) and close the file, the Win 98 se machine still sees the file as open. I am guessing this is a result of the 98 machines not seeing my computer on the network properly, and therefore can't log off properly.


5. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
lbyard May-15-02 02:34 PM
In response to message 4
On my 2K computer I have users with names that match the Windows login names on their computers setup for the Win 98/Me computer that connect to it. But I think enabling the Guest account and giving it adequate permissions will work. Go to Start, Settings, Control Panel, Users and Passwords… There is a check box on that screen that I have unchecked that says Users must enter a user name and password to use this computer. The user permissions are set in the Advanced tab. I don’t recall why I set it up this way. Also, I have only the TCP/IP protocol installed on the network and I have a router with a built-in DHCP server that furnishes the IP addresses to all of the computers, which are set to obtain their IP addresses automatically from the router. This all works very well. Go to Start, Settings, Network and Dial-up Connections, right click Local Area Connection, Properties, Select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) Properties, Advanced, WINS, and enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP. You may have to install the NetBEUI protocol. However, NetBEUI may cause a problem if you Install Win XP on any of the computers. Larry

6. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 02:42 PM
In response to message 5
When I change that WINS setting, I get a prompt "This Connection has an empty WINS address. Do you wish to continue?

Should I have something in there?


7. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
lbyard May-15-02 02:48 PM
In response to message 6
Mine doesn't and I do not get that error. But I have the router and I am obtaining IP addresses from it. What are your geeneral TCP/Ip properties? Larry

8. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 02:56 PM
In response to message 7
I am manually assigning IP addresses to each machine.

mine is:

IP: 192.168.1.10
Subnet: 255.255.255.0
Gateway: 192.168.1.254

DNS: 207.98.128.33
207.98.128.65

I do not have "Enable TCP/IP Filtering" checked (under Options, Properties) ,
"Permit All" is checked in all 3 of the other boxes.

Tim


9. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 03:02 PM
In response to message 8
Now when I try to access my 2000 machine from one of the 98se machines i get a supply password box for

\\YFP10\IPC$

YFP is our workgroup, and 10 is the machine number which corresponds to the last part of the IP.

I still have the C shared. :|

Tim


10. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
lbyard May-15-02 03:19 PM
In response to message 8
What's the gateway for? DNS? That should be on the Internet connection unless you have a DNS server running. I'd ignore the error and try the netbios setting. If that that doesn't work you may need NetBEUI or host tables to resolve computer names to IP addresses. Host tables are simply (unless you have a domain server, which you don’t unless you have IIS running, and then it isn’t so simple) a list of IP addresses and corresponding computer names. An example is in C:\Windows\hosts.sam on a Win 9x computers. It can be edited with Notepad or Wordpad (perhaps easier). I would save a copy first. Wind 2K has it in C:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc. As I do not see where in Win 2K there is an option to use the hosts table you may have to make similar entries in the lmhosts file locate in the same directory. I have set-up and used static IPs and hosts tables on Windows NT, but not 2K. Larry

11. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 04:40 PM
In response to message 10
OK,
Here is what I did to get around my problem of not being seen:

1. Create a User/Password on Win 2k

2. Designate the folders to be shared for this User

3. Reboot the 98 machine. When the Network log in screen came up, i put in the User and Password for the User I created in Win 2K.

Now that 98 machine recognizes my 2K machine. I have no idea how this worked or why. So I will now need to change the log in for all the 98 computers to be the same as the 2K user.
What happens when I add a second 2K machine to our network and now have 2 Users that I need to be recognized by multiple computers.

I am also running into files that say they are open and write protected when in fact they are not. Do you know of any way around this? At first it was any file that I had opened, now it is random files that I might have or migh not have opened...

Thanks for all your help.
Tim


12. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
shadi May-15-02 05:04 PM
In response to message 11
you must setup your network by going to the network identification wizard,
right click my comuter choose properties then network identification (or computer name in win_xp)...then network id.....

shadi..MCPx2


13. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-15-02 05:57 PM
In response to message 12
No Dice Shadi,
That didn't work!

Thanks.


14. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
DJ Net2Infinity May-15-02 08:22 PM
In response to message 13
LAST EDITED ON May-15-02 AT 08:25 PM (EST)
 
Go to your Control Panel, Administrative Tools, Computer Management ... then on the tree double click on Shared Folder and then shares. Right Click on the share that you created, and then select properties and then the Share Permissions tab ... make sure that all permissions are set to ALLOW. By default Windows 2k sets permissions to read only.

I would personally recommend going to each machine and mapping a drive to your share and setting it to connect at login, it will be much easier for the end users.


19. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-16-02 11:13 AM
In response to message 14
All the permissions were set to ALLOW.

I can only map a drive if I use the network log in on the 98 machine to be the same as the 2K user.


15. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
lbyard May-16-02 10:20 AM
In response to message 11
What is the status of your Guest account? How is it configured? I have not seen (or noticed) the open folder problem and do not know the exact sequence of steps that is causing it. How do I duplicate it? I.e., what did you do? All I can say is that I have a network presently with two 2K Pro computers, one 98 Computer, and one Me computer. It works flawlessly. I routinely add all kinds of computers on my workbench, incuding those running XP, brought in by customers and they work as well. Larry

17. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-16-02 11:10 AM
In response to message 15
AH, It says my guest account is disabled.
I am enabling it now to see if that works.

We are using Autocad. If I open 1 file and then open another, I can not open the original file (except read only) without either closing out of Autocad, or going to the 98 machine with the file on it and disconnecting the 2K machine manually.

Do I need to keep the IPC$ and C$ folders? What do they do since I can't delete them?


21. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-16-02 11:45 AM
In response to message 17
Yeah, it works!

Enabling the guest account solved my problems!
Anyone know how this could have become disabled?


23. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
stephenl May-17-02 07:37 AM
In response to message 17
LAST EDITED ON May-17-02 AT 07:47 AM (EST)
 
The IPC$ and C$ are shared for admin purposes you can delete the C$ but everytime you restart your machine or stop and start the server service on that machine it will be recreated the IPC share is used by the server service as well but as the server service needs this share it cant be deleted. If you wanna try this for yourself start an MMC (START-Run type MMC in the box and add in the Shared folders snapin and have alook at that this might also solve your open file issues as you can see which files are in use on this machine etc.


16. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
stephenl May-16-02 10:32 AM
In response to message 0
LAST EDITED ON May-16-02 AT 10:33 AM (EST)
 
You have to create an account on the W2k machine for examp. user1 then when you try and connect to the share C you will receive a box username and password you then have to type in PCNAME\user1 (sub PCNAME for the name of your pc i think it was YFP10 or something) and then whatever password you have set for the user. This will also depend on the share permissions and NTFS permissions if set wheteher you will get access to that machine.

This is the major downside to the Workgroup Model and why the Domain model is better although probably not cost effective in this small env.


18. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
timmyjoe42 May-16-02 11:12 AM
In response to message 16
This worked for the one 98 machine to see my 2K machine, but then I have to change all the network log in screens of all the 98 machines to be the same as my 2K user. What happens when I have more than 1 2K machine?

20. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
lbyard May-16-02 11:35 AM
In response to message 18
Make more users? Guess I'll try to duplicate this problem when I can find some time. I would think the guest account, if it has the correct permissions/is in the correct groups, would take care of things without creating individual users. Larry

22. RE: Windows 2000 Pro/ 98 SE networking prob
stephenl May-17-02 07:35 AM
In response to message 20
Id go with larry here on this one at least if your using the guest account then its the one account and one password to deal with instead of loads to keep track off !

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