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Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
bpong Aug-18-00 03:05 AM
Hi I am trying to create a network with 2 pc's that can go on the internet with cable and share files. I am not using a hub, just a cross cable. I have installed a ethernet adapter in each pc already. But the problem is, it is not working at all. the client pc is not poppin up the logon screen at start. Both pc's don't recognize each other when tried in windows explorer. On the main pc (one with the cable modem) it now has 2 ethernet adapters because my internet company supplied one also. I have configured NetBEUI and IPX SPX to both pc's. I will list what is in the network section of each pc below to make it easier!! I hope!!

MaIN PC
Client for Micro. Networks
Microsoft Family Logon
32 bit PCI fast ether. adp. (new one)
Dial-up adp.
Dialup adp. #2(VPN SUPP.)
Microsoft Virtual. Private Networking Adp.
NDc 10/100 ether. (one supplied by cable comp.)

sorry for all this!!

IPX/SPX 32 bit fast PCI ether. (bound to all net. i.e client for micro. net.)
NETBEUI- 32 bit fast PCI ehter. (also bound to all net.)
NDISWAN Microsoft virtual.
TCP/IP- 32 Bit fast pci ether.new one!(bound to all net.)
TCP/IP- dial-up adp. (also bound to all net.)
TCP/IP- Dial up adp #2(vpn support) (left unbound to anything)
TCP/IP- NDC 10/100 fast ethernet from cable comp (left unbound)
and lastly in the window, file and print sharing for microsoft networks.

My friend told me to leave something unbound so other people for the network would not be able to meess around with my computer!! but the thing is, I don't know which one to leave! plz answer this... is the configuration correct?? and all the gateways, dns config. r left untouched for the main pc!!
oh to the identification tab.
Comp. name is the one given to me from @home service.
WOrkgroup is the one given to me also by @home service.
and the description is my own funky creation.

Now my other pc only has 1 network card in it. it has:
client for MS networks
microsoft family logon
32 bit pci fast ether adp.
Dial up adp.
IPX/SPX (bound to all)
NET BEUI (bound to all)
and TCP/IP (bound to all again)
and file and print sharing
I have changed to comp. name to pc girl and left the workgroup the same as "@home".

Now it does not recognize one another!! and the client pc is not poppin up the logon page at startup!!
could it be that the crossover cable is not put together properly or is my configuration messedup>?? I installed both cards before I hooked them up. oh and I am using all aboard internet translation program which is not installed in both pcs. plz help me!! I am sorry for the length of this message!!

Brian


1. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
lbyard Aug-18-00 05:22 PM
In response to message 0
What version of Windows do you have? Looks like a mess… Suggest that you take it one simple step at a time. Get the network between the PC's working first. See our networking How to articles for procedures. I don't understand why you have Microsoft Virtual Private Networking installed. You don't need the family login. Verify that you have a crossover cable, see http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable6.htm. Verify that the crossover cable and adapters are working by running the diagnostics that came with the network adapters (the loop back test will fail because you do not have a loop back connector to loop the signal back to the adapter). Also, see http://duxcw.com/dcforum/DCForumID2/105.html. You will need Internet Sharing software unless you have two IP addresses from your cable company. Windows 98 SE ICS will work. SyGate (see review) works better. Larry

2. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
bpong Aug-19-00 01:15 AM
In response to message 1
Hey larry! thanx for the tips. I found out that the cable they gave me from the shop was not a crossover cable, but a str8 thru. I went back and they fixed it. Now I know that it is not the cable is not malfunctioning, but the configuration itself. It is still not recognizing each other. NetBEUI and IPX/SPX r installed on both and bounded too. I have removed the VPN and family logon as you suggested. and a funny thing is, even if u input a incoreect password in at startup... it lets u in anyway!?? why is that??

my workgroup name is the same on both pcs. why is it not working?? plz gimme some answers!! thanx for your help.

Brian


3. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
bpong Aug-19-00 01:15 AM
In response to message 1
Hey larry! thanx for the tips. I found out that the cable they gave me from the shop was not a crossover cable, but a str8 thru. I went back and they fixed it. Now I know that it is not the cable is not malfunctioning, but the configuration itself. It is still not recognizing each other. NetBEUI and IPX/SPX r installed on both and bounded too. I have removed the VPN and family logon as you suggested. and a funny thing is, even if u input a incoreect password in at startup... it lets u in anyway!?? why is that??

my workgroup name is the same on both pcs. why is it not working?? plz gimme some answers!! thanx for your help.

Brian


4. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
lbyard Aug-19-00 03:32 PM
In response to message 3
Let's start by going straight back to the cable. Did they test it? Did you see it work? Larry

5. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
bpong Aug-20-00 00:55 AM
In response to message 4
yes it does. they used some type of device that made a noise once they used some other cable to touch the surface of the device. I am thinking to reinstalling the adapters and start over........ is that a goood idea larry??

Brian


6. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
bpong Aug-20-00 04:59 AM
In response to message 5
hey larry!! today I've tried uninstalling the cards and reinstalling them bout ti still DOES NOT work!! should I return the cards and exchange for better ones?? if so what do u recommend?? at the moment I have cicero network adaptors for 20 dollars CAD.

Brian
thanx for your patience


7. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
lbyard Aug-21-00 03:17 PM
In response to message 5
A device that 'makes a noise' is probably a tester that tests for DC (direct current) continuity. That test is grossly insufficient to test a cable that operates at 100 Mhz. That is, a cable may pass a DC continuity test and fail to properly convey data at 100 Mhz.. Furthermore, a continuity test does not verify that the cable is made with the correct pin-out. If one does not have sophisticated test equipment, the least one can do is connect two computers together with the crossover cable and copy about 100 Mbytes of files between them. When you see that happen, you will know reasonably well that the crossover cable works. Until that happens, it is suspect. This is an example of why one should not hire technicians who have not had an adequate education or training in AC/DC, radio frequency, and electronics fundamentals. Larry

8. RE: Crosscabling 2 win 98 pc /cable internet PROBLEMS
bpong Aug-23-00 05:28 PM
In response to message 7
hey larry! well I have brought the pc back to the shop and let them re-networkk the computers instead!! THEY FIXED IT!!! the problem was that the drivers that came with the network adapters I bought was hardly compatible with ANYTHING!! so they downloaded some alternate drivers on the net and reinstalled them I guess...... well anyway, thanks alot for your time and effort on trying to help...... I really appreciate it!!!

Brian


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