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To crimp or not to crimp?
serkel Dec-09-01 02:55 AM
I found your webpage a great asset (loaded with info).
I have questions about the type of crimper you mentioned in http://www.duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable3.htm .
"This one is very similar to the one I have been using for many years for all kinds of telephone cable work and it works just fine for Ethernet cables".
How good of a crimp would it do? Or should I say, how good of of crimp does it make?

As in a crimp made with a $20.00 crimper or a $175.00 would there be some loss of signal?
I'm a licenced electrician and many times you want to buy the right tool for the right job!
I've talk to a DATA/COM installer (one only, this forum would be # 2) and he swears that I should be using a tool that cost "ooddles" of cash to make patch cables or just to crimp modular plugs, what do you think?
There are so many types and brand names, one comes to mind is the "Ideal Crimpmaster" that comes with a multitude of dies (of course sold seperatly). And I understand that some crimpers do not work on some of the plugs (like the AMP brand) is that true.

Any information/opinion/comments will help me to purchase the right tool. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that have crimpers for RJ45, I guess it's just a matter of getting the right one!
Portland, OR

3. RE: To crimp or not to crimp?
serkel Dec-09-01 06:36 PM
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You mentioned a couple of things you don't do?\
You don't use Amp and don't use boot?


6. RE: To crimp or not to crimp?
lbyard Dec-09-01 06:46 PM
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Simply because I have never used them and the cables I make work. Boots look pretty, but I don't see any real utility in them. The plugs I use work, are commonly used, and probably cost less. Larry

4. RE: To crimp or not to crimp?
lbyard Dec-09-01 06:42 PM
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>Öhow good of crimp does it make?

All I can say is if I use the correct plugs for the cable, and do the job right (thatís the hard part) before crimping, the cables work and I canít pull the plugs off with my hands. Or, better than some custom cables Iíve seen.

I am not an expert on the various crimpers out there as I have been using the same crimper for many years. I donít feel compelled to get something that triple ratchets, etc. and I donít use Amp plugsójust plain old CAT 5e RJ-45ís for solid wire, solid wire CAT 5/5e cable, and no boots. It does the job for the networking I do, and occasional telephone and serial cable wiring. If it ainít broke, why spend money to fix it.

I might consider a fancier crimper if I were to run cable all day every day. I suppose, like all tools there are cheap ones that will not work well, everyday, quality ones that most people use, and very expensive ones with bells, whistles, and parts that the average field person will not use or lose. And there are sales people who would rather sell Cadillacs instead of Fords. The crimper I suggested in http://duxcw.com/digest/Howto/network/cable/cable3.htm can be purchased for about $35.00. The crimper I have is very similar and were probably purchased at http://www.starkelectronic.com/eclcrimp.htm. http://www.eclipsetools.com/orderinfo.htm lists other sources. If I were to loose my crimper tomorrow I would probably buy another $35.00 crimper. Larry (Maine Yankee)

Larryís old, beat-up crimper:

7. RE: To crimp or not to crimp?
Viking Ed Dec-09-01 08:38 PM
In response to message 4
Wwhen I was installing my home network, I couldn't see paying $30-40 for something I'd use once, so I borrowed a crimper from the network guys at work, who also loaned me a wiring tester--incredibly useful tool, but they cost 3 or 4 Franklins. The tool I borrowed was a fairly high-end unit, but I still managed to do a really lousy job on the first 3 or 4 plugs I crimped.

A few months later, I needed to make a couple new patch cables, but the network guys were busy on a project, so I couldn't use their gear. Instead, I borrowed a friend's crimper. He told me it was just a $15 cheapy he'd picked up somewhere, but I had no trouble making perfectly acceptable cables with it.

Moral of the story: The single most important component is the crimper retention nut. (That's the nut at the handle end of the tool that holds onto it.)

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