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NETworking.With ICS
gregaz May-07-00 01:08 PM

I just inherited the job of Technical Advisor at a local snior citicen volunteer group that teaches other seniors. We are using Windows 98 and ICS to network 8 comuters and share 2 printers Multilinking is also set up for better bandwidth. The problem is the computers are constantly freezinfg up and disconnecting from the ISP.

I know this is a bigger problem than you deal with heree on this forum, what I need is a reference to a book or a guide that will help me trouble shoot our present poblems. We are also hoping to expand to aprox. 12 computers can some one tell me what if win 98 can handle that many computers or should we be thinking of WIN 2000?

Any and al help concering this posting will be appreciated.


1. RE: NETworking.With ICS
lbyard May-08-00 01:45 PM
In response to message 0
You need a dedicated file server for 12 workstations. My server is running Windows NT and I have no immediate plans to upgrade the hardware for Win 2000. SyGate (http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/sygate/sygate.htm) works well on an NT server and we use it to share an Internet connection to a cable MODEM. Multilinking may be causing the problem. I would not attempt to share an Internet connection with that many (8) workstations using ICS. Larry

3. RE: NETworking.With ICS
keith May-25-00 08:30 AM
In response to message 1
Sorry to bother you...
I have problems with ICS too - worked first time and then, when I got back to the computer lab the following day - nothing. and I can't get it to work again.
Do you think the number of computers is the problem? I can't even get it to work with one host and one computer linked to it!
I've tried setting up individual IP numbers on each PC with the range declared on the host using REGEDIT - I don't know whether I should disable DHCP or not... and on which connection, home or dial-up...
I'm lost.
I'm not sure the school would pay for Sygate, but I might try the trial version
Any ideas?
Help gratefully accepted - all I want to do is have the kids write email letters using Eudora while the host is connected by modem.
All the best

14. RE: NETworking.With ICS
hal999 May-30-00 02:06 AM
In response to message 3
Disable DHCP and WINS on all clients if feasible. Assign an IP address to each client. Set the internet-connected machine as the DNS server and gateway on each client. Don't forget that ICS is not a proxy server.

I believe I read once that ICS is set up to work with a maximum of five clients, but I cannot find the reference.

>Sorry to bother you...
>I have problems with ICS too
>- worked first time and
>then, when I got back
>to the computer lab the
>following day - nothing. and
>I can't get it to
>work again.
>Do you think the number of
>computers is the problem? I
>can't even get it to
>work with one host and
>one computer linked to it!
>I've tried setting up individual IP
>numbers on each PC with
>the range declared on the
>host using REGEDIT - I
>don't know whether I should
>disable DHCP or not... and
>on which connection, home or
>I'm lost.
>I'm not sure the school would
>pay for Sygate, but I
>might try the trial version
>Any ideas?
>Help gratefully accepted - all I
>want to do is have
>the kids write email letters
>using Eudora while the host
>is connected by modem.
>All the best

2. RE: NETworking.With ICS
keith May-25-00 08:23 AM
In response to message 0
Hi Greg
My problems aren't the same - I got ICS to work with 8 computers the first time I set it up - the following day it didn't work any more and I'm going crazy trying new things every day to put it right.
How is your network doing? Have you got things sorted out? You might be able to help me pin point my problem.
I've tried an advanced set up with IP numbers all round - changed the range of IP numbers on the host with REGEDIT - no avail.
All I want to do is have the kids use Eudora on each PC passing through the host when the modem is connected.
Email and the Browser work fine on the host.
What I'd like to have is some way of testing whether things are working - using PING for instance.
If I use winipcfg to see the IP number and I renew the number, then ping works to that number, but I can't ping the provider.
Any help? just a chat maybe
Look forward to hearing from you

12. RE: NETworking.With ICS
gregaz May-26-00 10:15 PM
In response to message 2
Hi Keith,

As Larry and a few other here have stated ICS was not the right vehicle for the amount of guest compiuters. So after looking arounfd at a few proxy servers I dfound a piece odf softare called MidPoint. It is kind of expensive but it if it does as it claims it will be worth the expense.
Not sure if that will help you,
My knowledge is limited.

If you do want to chat or exchange a few e-mails feel free to do so, I am reluctant to post my personal e-mail addresss here, not sure it should be done? Any way if you do want to contact me send me an e-mail to gregaz1@hotmail.com. I apologize to the web master if i have violatd any rules by postintimng an e-mail address?

Hope things are doing better for you Kieth, good Luck.

Mike Gregory

13. RE: NETworking.With ICS
lbyard May-28-00 02:27 PM
In response to message 12
I would download and try SyGate (http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/sygate/sygate.htm) 30-day trial before spending more than the $40-120 that it costs. Larry

15. RE: NETworking.With ICS
hal999 May-30-00 02:15 AM
In response to message 13
I'm rather fond of WinGate as a proxy server:


>I would download and try SyGate
>(http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/sygate/sygate.htm) 30-day trial before spending
>more than the $40-120 that
>it costs. Larry

18. RE: NETworking.With ICS
lbyard May-30-00 03:45 PM
In response to message 15
LAST EDITED ON May-30-00 AT 03:45 PM (GMT)

I'm not, based on previous experience, but I have not tried recent versions of Wingate. I plan to take another look. Larry

4. RE: NETworking.With ICS
lbyard May-25-00 01:20 PM
In response to message 0
No way would I use ICS to support eight computers. You will need a dedicated file server for 12 nodes. I use Windows NT 4.0 and it works just fine. I have no strong urge to jump into Win 2000. For one thing, I do not want to spend the money to upgrade the server hardware. I also think you need to look into an Internet connection with a higher bandwidth (cable MODEM, DSL, etc.), if it is available in your area. I would suggest looking at SyGAte (http://duxcw.com/digest/Reviews/Network/sygate/sygate.htm), other Sybergen products, or Microsoft's proxy server as a replacement for ICS. You don't need a 1 Ghz file server either. With Win NT, a 400-500 Mhz K6-2 and 64 MBytes will work just fine. My accountant has about 12 accounts/bookkeepers (heavy users) on his LAN and he is running a 300 Mhz K6-2. It has been down once in 1 1/2 years for a minor problem. Larry

8. Thanks for all the help!!!
keith May-26-00 04:06 PM
In response to message 4
>Keith, The IP ICS asigns to the host is a static IP:
### in fact I gave it in the registry editor and a range of
192.168.11 ---> which includes all the static IP addresses I
set up on the PCs.
I forget exactly what it was, but something in your aticles put me on the
right track, and as I told you yesterday, it all works fine - and what's
even better, when I restart it all, everything STILL works!!!
I was agreably surprised to see that all 8 PCs could connect to Internet
without any apparent slowing down on a 56 modem. I might try putting two
modems in parallel - what do you think of that idea?
Anyway, many many thanks - you kept me out of the asylum!!!
All the best

9. RE: Thanks for all the help!!!
lbyard May-26-00 04:23 PM
In response to message 8
LAST EDITED ON May-26-00 AT 04:26 PM (GMT)

You are most welcome. Yes, for routine browsing, but you will find downloads will pretty much divide-up the bandwidth and slow-down browsing. Larry

5. RE: NETworking.With ICS
BBATES May-25-00 11:05 PM
In response to message 0

6. RE: NETworking.With ICS
lbyard May-26-00 02:00 PM
In response to message 5
I have been building and supporting networks since 1987. I stand by my statement. In my experience, once you have 6-8 computers in a peer-to-peer network in the average office problems start occuring too often and it is time to add a dedicated server. Larry

7. RE: NETworking.With ICS
gregaz May-26-00 03:51 PM
In response to message 6
Hi I just wanted to thank al of the people that have responded to my question. I do appreciate all the advice given and comments added. Just to give a heads up on what has occured , is we dd get a commercial proxy server. by the name of ModPoint. It is to earleuy to tell if this is going to solve tany problems?

But, it is obvious that ICS was not capable of handling out needs. As soon as we start sessins again next will it will be our acid test if it will work.

Thanks again to all replies.

Mike Gregory

10. RE: NETworking.With ICS
lbyard May-26-00 04:24 PM
In response to message 7
You mean Midpoint, don't you? Expensive stuff. Larry

11. RE: NETworking.With ICS
gregaz May-26-00 10:03 PM
In response to message 10
Hi Larry,

I stand corrected I did mean to type MidPoint, as you can tell typing is not my greatest talent. Yes, I do agree it is a very expensive piece of software, but we need a good reliable connection to the internet for our students, otherwise it disrupts the flow of the subject being taught.

I cannot give you any type of report on MidPoint since we will not start using it in our claases until after Memorial Day. I am hoping for the price it does what we want.


16. RE: NETworking.With ICS
hal999 May-30-00 02:25 AM
In response to message 6
Can't one just split the network with a switch?

17. RE: NETworking.With ICS
lbyard May-30-00 03:42 PM
In response to message 16
Yes and thank you. And I stand somewhat corrected. A switch would reduce lot of the lower-level network problems associated with larger peer-to-peer networks, especially in non-data base intensive applications. Most of my thinking in that regard is/was based on older thinwire networks--time to upgrade the wetware... However, it does not get rid of acute problems that may arise from trying to share data on non-dedicated servers. If you have 6 or more users pounding a data base or other shared assetts, it is time to start thinking dedicated server. Larry

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